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Sean O'Connor's Games • View topic - Rifles Vs. Carbines
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Rifles Vs. Carbines

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:58 pm
by Quitch
Seeing as the manual is waaaay outta date, what the heck is the difference between a rifle and carbine?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:50 pm
by Tim_Myth

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:28 pm
by Garnier
In the american army, the M-1 carbine was sort of a cross between an M-1 rifle and a sub machinegun. It had a 15 shot clip and fired more rapidly than the Garand, though as you said with less accuracy and range. Typically issued to leaders.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:29 am
by Legacy

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:02 am
by guest

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:03 am
by guest

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:17 am
by Garnier

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:26 am
by Andy
NATO rules of war type stuff decrees that weaponry should be as non-lethal as possible (fine fight, but try not to kill each other :wink: ). forces tend not to go agaisnt this because a wounded man can occupy up to 3 guys (2 stretchers + a medic) whereas a dead guy takes a bloke to lean over n pick up his dog tag, and someone to pick him up later, unless your something like the SAS somewhere you shouldnt be, in which case you gotta take those corpses with you. thats why smaller grenades are used nowadays rather than frags. the french however ignore this completely and use bullets that split open like and orange, and corkscrew into flesh, going from 6mm to 36mm
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:57 pm
by guest

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:19 am
by Andy
no, no i dont :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:37 pm
by Quitch
[quote="Andy"]NATO rules of war type stuff decrees that weaponry should be as non-lethal as possible (fine fight, but try not to kill each other :wink: ). forces tend not to go agaisnt this because a wounded man can occupy up to 3 guys (2 stretchers + a medic) whereas a dead guy takes a bloke to lean over n pick up his dog tag, and someone to pick him up later[quote]

Sorry, maybe I'm misreading, but you appear to contradict yourself. You're saying forces prefer NATO rounds (which sound like they MORE likely to wound than kill than older rounds) while saying forces prefer having to deal with corpses than wounded...??

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:54 pm
by Guest
That's not really a contradiction. They use ammo that will more likely wound and not kill the enemy so the enemy has to tend some wounded.
That is not unique to NATO. Even the Nazis made booby-traps that were intended to do just that.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:55 pm
by Tim_Myth
From a strictly logistical stand point, corpses are better than casualties. Casualties require doctors, nurses, and medicine in addition to the same food and supplies a healthy soldier requires. All this attention must be supplied fairly quickly, so you must have enough staff and supplies to meet the demand or you simply end up with corpses. Also, it should go without saying that you get little or no work from a wounded man.

On the other hand, a corpse simply requires burial, and the burial can be performed at a more leisurely pace than required by casualities. Depending on the weather, a burial could wait at least 2 or 3 days before disease becomes an issue (and you have to prevent disease or you end up with casualties!).

Now, if I'm fighting a coldly calculated war, I'd prefer to have as few casualties as possible, either by preventing injury or ensuring injuries are fatal. I'd also like to give the enemy as many casualties as possible, which will require him to spend time, energy, and money caring for his wounded men.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:10 pm
by Quitch

Re: Rifles Vs. Carbines

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:57 am
by JeanBoule