Wanting Free Proggraming Lessons

frawsty · Post by **frawsty** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:57 pm

Nothing wrong with that. Here are a few options you have for your programming tools:

gcc (free DOS command line compiler): what you do is write your code into a plain text formated file and use this free program to "compile the code" into an executable program (.exe) then you can run it. you can use lots of different programs to write your code in but you have to save it into a plain text format.

this is the base level of coding/compiling in C and is best for you at the beginning. it allows you to just focus on learning the code and not having to learn a graphical environment (like Word with all the buttons, fonts, blah blah) just pure code and compiling.

once you get comfortable here then you can get yourself these GUI (Graphical User Interface) environments. Visual C++ is what many pro's use. You can use this to write and compile C and then later C++ and add in the many classes and goodies like MFC (powerful Microsoft classes already written for you) DirectX (same thing but geared towards graphics, sound, 3d, input controls)

i believe you can download a trial version of the Visual C++ IDE (Integrated Development Environment) or get a student version cheap or off a CDROM that comes with many of the programming books out there.

i think their are many freebie non-MS IDE's out there but aside from the old skool Borland compilers i havent messed with any of them.

frawsty · Post by **frawsty** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:01 pm

Here is the home page for GCC. You can compile C/C++ with this program. http://gcc.gnu.org/

the advantage to compiling in some of the nicer IDE's is that when you have a bug (and you will have a lot) the error messages really help you figure out where the bug is so you can fix it. their is nothing more frustrating than not being able to find a bug.

this is another thing to learn, debugging your code. their are tricks like setting stop points, or stepping through your code during compile or execute time, using print statements so you know how far youre getting through your code or if you have a mistake in your math etc.

Old Man Johnson · Post by **Old Man Johnson** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:29 pm

There's an interesting program called Jamagic from clickteam (http://www.clickteam.com). It's basically a 3D engine with code based on C. It costs money for the full version, but you can get a 30 day trial for free. It looks pretty interesting, and I tried the trial, but I didn't buy the full version.

qwas · Post by **qwas** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:15 am

Cool, Though, I might get a bit of extra help as a teacher I know at school can program

Quorad · Post by **Quorad** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:11 pm

If you beg online to get information spoon-fed to you, then you don't deserve to be a programmer/hacker.
I, one the other hand, don't beg, I ask.
And someday I want to be really good at programming and hacking(good hacking, nothing bad)
I am the meanest evil person that is good and nice.(believe me)

Old Man Johnson · Post by **Old Man Johnson** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:54 am

What exactly do you mean by "good hacking"?

TheKangaroo · Post by **TheKangaroo** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:17 am

Seems to be a matter of perspective?

Old Man Johnson · Post by **Old Man Johnson** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:06 am

Yeah, agreed. The hackee (or whatever) probably never thinks it's good.

Fighter_Ace · Post by **Fighter_Ace** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:07 am

How can you possibly hack or crack for good?! If you fixed it up, wouldn't that be illegal?

TheKangaroo · Post by **TheKangaroo** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:59 am

How can you possibly hack or crack for good?

I doubt you can, but I believe a Mr. Bin Ladin is sitting somewhere in the mideast convinced he only does mankind a favour. Certainly a hacker also wouldn't think of himself as a bad guy, would he?

Quorad · Post by **Quorad** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:19 pm

Fighter_Ace wrote:How can you possibly hack or crack for good?! If you fixed it up, wouldn't that be illegal?

I can answer that very well indeed.
The answer is yes.
People that are expert hackers and programmers are hired by companys to find hols and report them. Like microsoft hiring that one guy that caused that code red scare a couple years ago. He works for a company that finds and sends reports about holes in their programs and websites and stuff.
Some very good people are hired by the very elite companys. In order to get in I read that the Leader or president of the company comes with a bunch of people and set you down in front of a computer and says to hack into this place in one hour or you don't get hired.

sid6.7 · Post by **sid6.7** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:07 am

sorry man you've been watching too many movies...

its rare that a hacker gets a job at a company and those
that do have generally spent time in the pokey before they do
or they have been in trouble with the law and are put
in a "controlled environment" where they can be watched...

a good hacker is rare and even if you find one its more
like what we think of a bounty hunter....no honest person
likes a bounty hunter...but we dont mind if they catch a bad
guy or 2....or even still a mercenary...who knows what a merc
will do when his contract is up...or someone offers a higher bid
and off they go...

your headed to a bad end if you keep moving in that direction

you do know your IP# is listed here dont you? you can be found....

Old Man Johnson · Post by **Old Man Johnson** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:57 am

I think Quorad you might be thinking of counter-hackers? I read about it somewhere. I forgot practically all of it but I don't think they do any hacking, just developing firewalls and security and such.

Quorad · Post by **Quorad** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:55 pm

Duh, they hack to find the holes. Then they notify people who will fix them because fixing is boring and hacking is a little more fun in my opinion.

Quorad · Post by **Quorad** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:58 pm

sid6.7 wrote:sorry man you've been watching too many movies...

its rare that a hacker gets a job at a company and those
that do have generally spent time in the pokey before they do
or they have been in trouble with the law and are put
in a "controlled environment" where they can be watched...

a good hacker is rare and even if you find one its more
like what we think of a bounty hunter....no honest person
likes a bounty hunter...but we dont mind if they catch a bad
guy or 2....or even still a mercenary...who knows what a merc
will do when his contract is up...or someone offers a higher bid
and off they go...

your headed to a bad end if you keep moving in that direction

you do know your IP# is listed here dont you? you can be found....

I do think you are very wrong. I have evidence that proves that I am right. And do you know the person who caused the code red thing around 2001 or something?
Yeah, he is a hacker, and yes, he did get hired to find holes and report them.

I think you are blind.

EDIT: Oh and one more thing, I do know my IP address and know it by heart. And plus, I am using my schools computer. I don't know theirs but I do know mine.