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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:02 am
by qwas
This should go in Off-Topic caus its about ALL the games, not just Conquest

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:13 am
by JackAttack
qwas wrote:... if Sean made his games freeware and it is his only income, there would be NO more games and upgrades, Sean, would starve (damn, there isen't a crying smiley like MSN Messenger), and bills, he would still starve...

No food, SEAN ISENT AN IMMORTAL ALIEN!! (SEAN, explain your financial status plz) I end this with, you are POOR, P-O-O-R (and sad, SOOOOOOOOO sad)



First, $9.99 is NOT freeware. I don't think anyone is saying they need to be free. The worker is worthy of his wages.

But am I supposed to purchase these products out of charity? Give me a break and cry me a river. Quite possibly, the reason he is poor may be that his price point is higher than most people are willing to pay? Yea too bad there isn't a crying smiley.

Simple marketing, find a good product at a price people are willing to pay. Fact: The game is downloaded like crazy, but most people don't purchase it. The price is something most are not willing to pay.

It's pretty sad that people are only buying because they "read Sean's posts" about how poor he is. People aren't purchasing the product because it is what they are willing to pay, they are willing to buy because they "feel sad for Sean". That, my friend is pathetic - and bad business.

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:34 am
by Sean OConnor
There's no way my sales would more than double if I put the prices down by half so that's not something I am ever going to do. There is also a minimum US$2 fee I have to pay for each transaction so if I put the price down to US$10 I'd be charged 20% instead of the current 16%.

I feel US$20 is a fair price to pay for one of my games or US$40 for the lot. Sure, there will always be people who think it's too much whatever I charge but I'm happy with the number of sales I'm getting.

BTW I never said I was poor!

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:49 am
by Legacy
I bought it because I logged well over a hundred hours playing the demos and wanted to play a different map on MoAB(which consumed the least number of games but the most hours of play), and I wanted to design CM ships and play conquest with each territory yielding one army so the body count would be higher and the battles bigger.

These games are worth it, and if I have it in me to choke up the cash, you can too. I think most of us bought the all games in one package. Now, I paid $40 for that I believe, and $40 / 8 = $5 per game.

If that isn't cheap enough for you, then play winmine.

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:52 am
by Legacy
And I think the poor thing came from you having such a loyal customer base. Microsoft could learn a thing or two from Sean here.

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:20 am
by qwas
JackAttack wrote:
qwas wrote:... if Sean made his games freeware and it is his only income, there would be NO more games and upgrades, Sean, would starve (damn, there isen't a crying smiley like MSN Messenger), and bills, he would still starve...

No food, SEAN ISENT AN IMMORTAL ALIEN!! (SEAN, explain your financial status plz) I end this with, you are POOR, P-O-O-R (and sad, SOOOOOOOOO sad)



First, $9.99 is NOT freeware. I don't think anyone is saying they need to be free. The worker is worthy of his wages.

But am I supposed to purchase these products out of charity? Give me a break and cry me a river. Quite possibly, the reason he is poor may be that his price point is higher than most people are willing to pay? Yea too bad there isn't a crying smiley.

Simple marketing, find a good product at a price people are willing to pay. Fact: The game is downloaded like crazy, but most people don't purchase it. The price is something most are not willing to pay.

It's pretty sad that people are only buying because they "read Sean's posts" about how poor he is. People aren't purchasing the product because it is what they are willing to pay, they are willing to buy because they "feel sad for Sean". That, my friend is pathetic - and bad business.


Actually Sean doesent do that (YOU never read the forums), What I am saying, Is that the quality of the games, and the price is "unnacceptable", Which means, YOU (NOT SEAN) are Poor (or your spoiled, too tired to go online etc...)

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:17 pm
by JackAttack
Thank you for your concern about my current financial situation.

I imagine if I really wanted to I could spend $20 for a game, but $45 is definately out of my current reach. But we are fine, thank you.

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:30 pm
by cavemaniac1
I've been playing Seans games for over two years now (since I found a demo version of Slay on a compilation CD) and can truthfully say that I've spent more hours on them and had more fun than on any other games.

The way I see it is that hours for dollars, Seans games come out way ahead.

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:42 pm
by qwas
We??

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:17 pm
by Styro
These discussions about price come up every once and a while. At first I thought they were just lamers trying to whine their way into a discount or some pirated software and they annoyed me. Now I almost enjoy the threads (not that I want to see more popping up in the forums) because of all the posts supporting Sean and his games. I think the fan support for the games shows their real value.

I bought the lot for $40 back in April 2002 after playing the demos of Slay and Conquest. I was a little hesitant because it seemed like a chunk of change, but I can easily say that I have gotten way more than $40 worth of play from the games. My favorites are Critical Mass and Slay, both of which I still play almost every day. Even if we estimate low that I only play 1 hour of Sean's games per week, 1.5 hours per week times 156 weeks (3 years) equals 234 hours. That is 17c per hour. The real number is probably much lower (like 10c per hour) with how much I play.

Anyway, just wanted to chime in my support. I think the games are great! Also, there are few places where I have seen such support for games from the developer as you get here. Sean is very responsive to suggestions, criticism, and bug reports.

Cheers! :D

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:51 pm
by Steve!
I brought CM on its own, I found a really old version 1 demo ages ago on a '1000 games for windows CD'. I was imidiately addicted! It took me a while to decide it would be worth forking out $20 for it, but eventually I did, and then I recieved version 3, it having just been released, unknown to me at that time, seeing as I ordered through the information given to me on the demo version.

Well version 3 was far far superior to the demo version I had played to death I was pleasently surprised.

So I would have payed $20 for version 1 of CM and instead got the much improved version three, therefore I don't think the games are too expensive, particularly when you get free upgrades for life.

However I wish I'd got all games for $40 now, when I bought CM, Dino-footy, conquest, general and end o atlantis didnt exist, so I didnt want to spend that much, now i'm willing too, and soon will be buying the lot.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:32 pm
by qwas
tHIS IS Off-Topic, ot should be other stuff, It isent just Conquest were talking about

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:33 pm
by eromrab
for quite a while i was one of the cheap people who didn't wanna pay for the games. i really loved the games but they weren't worth $20/each or $40/all to me. but i dunno, i kept playing the demos and got really addicted to slay. so i bought the whole package deal and i fell in love with conquest, critical mass, the general, firefight, and football-o-saurus.

sean's games are awesome at work/home when i'm bored and nothing to do. the package deal is awesome cuase you get bored with one game, you can play one of the many others, until you feel like playing it again.

i love your games sean and think they're at a good price.

as for the RegNow fees... is it possible to do it over paypal? i don't know if they charge for converting money from dollars to pounds, but i know they don't charge for transactions. maybe they even change it over free?

just a thought. keep up the good work!

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:27 pm
by bsquiggle
Sean O'Connor wrote:
Bear in mind that RegNow takes a 20% cut of my selling price (and if the sale goes through an affiliate I get less than half the selling price) then RegNow charges me to wire the money over, then my bank charges me to convert the money to pounds. And the pound is very strong against the dollar at the moment too :(


And yet, as a UK customer, i was charged in american dollars, which didn't translate very well today unfortunately. Did i get something wrong there? I would happily have posted a cheque directly but didn't want to wait that long! :)

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:30 pm
by bsquiggle
also, come to think of it, i paid in american dollars, so they charged me $40, but then because i'm from the UK they charged me VAT at $7. and i still don't actually know how many pounds that worked out to. erhaps there is some other way?