I want some landing beach

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I want some landing beach

Post by the space predator » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:00 pm

When we will have this, we will have real Normandy landing.

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Post by TheKangaroo » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:14 pm

I don't think that would be working out in Firefight too well for multiple reasons. First of all it would require a system to have troops mounted on vehicles, which though might be a worthwhile feature for other situations, too. Secondly the number of actual beach landings is somewhat limited. You'd only see the famous Normandy landings once in the campaign, a Pacific campaign might have more but still I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. And last and most important I don't think the very game mechanics of Firefight are suitable for such scenarios, especially not for fortified beaches like the Atlantikwall. All your troops would reach the beach, get under fire, be supressed and then in the coverless terrain be mown to pieces by one or two HMGs (which incidentally at times were all the Germans had operational at the infamous 'Omaha Beach' but that's just a side-note.). It would be rather frustrating, I'm afraid.

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Post by the space predator » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:11 pm

I'm a WW2 specialist, I know that their his a lot landing beach. From operation torch to Okinawawa passing by Normandy. But why don't just have map that look like if there where coastal? It just need a river on a side that was the sea, no road go across it. when I play the scenario Normandy Onward, The map that I use Look more like the midlle of nowhere then a landing beach.
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Post by TheKangaroo » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:43 pm

I didn't mean to say there weren't any historical scenarios for that. My main point has actually been that a beach landing in Firefight would be impractical due to how the game works.
And Normandy Onward, well I always liked that it didn't have any of that. A lot of people these days have the image of fighting in Normandy equalling the beach landings, as if Normandy ended a mile behind the coast, which just isn't true.

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Post by The Arbiter » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:26 pm

Beach assaults could work, yes the HMGs would murder you while advancing up the Beach, but what Obstacles?They could block LOS and provide cover for your troops.And it doesnt requires a new ride feature for troops to ride on tanks, just have it at the beginning your troops are already landed you can setup.Based on the country destroyed and landed landers would be on the bottom of the map, and use LVTs for Pacific.This would also give the infantry flamethrower more of purpose because of bunkers, right now only flame tanks are worth getting.

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Post by the space predator » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:29 pm

And it will make the anphibious tank having difference beetween the normal tank.

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Post by the space predator » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:16 am

And, the HMG did a lot of damage in lowland too. Advancing across a canal was the same thing.

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Post by GeneralPrioux » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:00 am

the space predator wrote:I'm a WW2 specialist, I know that their his a lot landing beach. From operation torch to Okinawawa passing by Normandy. But why don't just have map that look like if there where coastal? It just need a river on a side that was the sea, no road go across it. when I play the scenario Normandy Onward, The map that I use Look more like the midlle of nowhere then a landing beach.


    The Italian attempted landings behind the Maginot Line
    French Landings at Dakar
    Dieppe
    Torch
    Salerno
    French at Corsica


All would make great scenarios for this game.

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Post by JeanBoule » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:34 pm

GeneralPrioux wrote:
    The Italian attempted landings behind the Maginot Line


    French at Corsica

All would make great scenarios for this game.


Italian landing behind the Maginot Line?
Well I never have heard of that! I have only ever had anglo history sources of course, with a very few exceptions. Was this in 1940 after the Italians declared war on France. I had only heard a very brief mention of Italian attacks across the border in the mountains and that they got a bloody nose.

When one reads a standard history of the Italian Campaign there will be something mentioned like "Corsica was occupied by French troops." and that's it!
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Post by the space predator » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:57 pm

Maginot lines was in northen France, no? And the Italian army just attack french in the alp. They don't landing behind Mginot lines.
But Dieppe may be a good scenario. Salerno and Torch too.

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Post by GeneralPrioux » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:55 pm

I just finished a tabletop wargaming handbook on the French Armies in World War II so I have been doing a decent amount of research on this and during the course of research discovered things I wasn't aware of.

The Maginot Line ran through the to the Alps where it was called the Alpen Line traversing the Maritime Alps, Cottian Alps and the Graian Alps. That is where the Italians were repulsed by the fortifications. They did attempt a landing behind it but the French coastal batteries forced them to abort it.

And while we're at it The Maginot Line resumed in Tunisia (where it was called The Mareth Line).

These all dovetailed into the overall French strategy of a continuous front supported by overwhelming firepower as a deterrent to aggression (read as: Germany) until such time that the Allies join the war effort and France is able to mobilize and achieve a numerical superiority and unleash the Division Cuirasee Reserves.

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Post by the space predator » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:52 pm

If it alps lines, it is not Maginot lines. It is not the same defense system.
But it can be good scenario, or campain parts.

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Post by GeneralPrioux » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:39 am

the space predator wrote:If it alps lines, it is not Maginot lines. It is not the same defense system.
But it can be good scenario, or campain parts.


:shock:

Sorry to tell you you're wrong but you are. It was actually called "the little Maginot line" and they installed ouvrages into old forts just as was done in parts of the Maginot Line proper but with the added enhancement of mountainous passages controlling a small number of arteries. Most people call it the alpen line for short.

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Maginot lines was in northen France, no? And the Italian army just attack french in the alp.[/quote]

Don't take my word for it. Read "Fortress France" by JE and HW Kaufmann from page 175 on where it details the forts and the guns of the Little Maginot Line. Then you can come back in and admit you :oops:, a Canadian, didn't know what you were talking about and acknowledge that I 8), a American, was right :lol: . I'll be waiting for the case of beer you send me as an apology for this effrontery. :mrgreen: But please....No Molson's.

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Post by JeanBoule » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:44 pm

GeneralPrioux wrote:[ Read "Fortress France" by JE and HW Kaufmann from page 175 on where it details the forts and the guns of the Little Maginot Line.


Fascinating! I googled that and there is a google book. It showed page 175 and 176 I think. It certainly named the Little Maginot Line. Nothing after those pages unfortunately.

There is a great diagram of a fort on a hilltop, or rather in the hilltop, with tunnels thru so guns could be fired out of the face of a cliff.

Can you give a reference describing the Italian attack from the sea?

I have always been interested in the Mareth Line between Tunisia and Libya. Apparently Rommel did not think a lot of it and made a stand at another wadi further forward. So I would be interested to see how elaborate it was.
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Post by TheKangaroo » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:13 pm

When one reads a standard history of the Italian Campaign there will be something mentioned like "Corsica was occupied by French troops." and that's it!

You're pretty well off with that. In most German history books everything found about the Italian campaigns goes along the lines of: ?The Italians? Ah, right... they were around... somewhere... I guess.?

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