Rifles Vs. Carbines

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Andy
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Post by Andy » Wed May 16, 2007 6:00 pm

i thought it was a paratrooper/tankers version of a rifle - shorter in the barrel so that it reduces weight for the paras and space in the cabin for tankies. otherwise just a standard rifle with slightly reduced accuracy due to less stability and shorter barrel.

fairly recently the british takies have been given the SA80A2 Carbine and are 'quite chuffed' with it, it would seem
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Post by TheKangaroo » Wed May 16, 2007 6:05 pm

Today carbines are just shortened and lightened versions of the correspondent rifle, by the time of WW2, though, there were carbines designed from scratch without being a 'version' of another rifle. The M1 Carbine for example wasn't related in any way to the M1 Garand Rifle. Still the principle is the same: carbines are the attempt of packing more firepower than a pistol in less space than a rifle.

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Post by Andy Brown » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:48 am

IMO, Firefight needs a couple more small-arms types:

WEAPON_AUTO_RIFLE which would combine the damage of a rifle, the range of an LMG and the burst capability of the SMG. It would be used to represent magazine fed LMGs like the Bren and the BAR, which don't enjoy the rate-of-fire of belt-fed bipod LMGs (although they should be more accurate).

WEAPON_AUTO_CARBINE which would combine the damage and range of a carbine with the burst capability of the SMG. This would be used to represent assault rifles like the MP 44.

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Post by JeanBoule » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:48 pm

I agree! This should go onto a reviewed and tidied "Wish List". I might do some work on it.

BTW, while researching MGs LMGs etc I was surprised to find that the US army actually had a light machine gun in 1916. It was a hotchkiss-something, (my access to Wikipedia seems to be stuck at the moment). It was compact and fired off a bipod, the ammo was in metal strips, like the french army's HMG. It was ordered for use by the cavalry. The Springfield army manufactured a few hundred but it was not deemed suitable for trench warfare on the Western front.

They shoulda at least tried it!
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Post by JeanBoule » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:02 pm

Correction I tried another source

http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/mgun_hotchkiss.htm
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The M1909 was produced by the U.S. as the Benet-Mercie Machine Rifle (adopted in 1909) where they were used during the 1916 expedition to Mexico;
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Post by jaggeededgeohseven » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:23 am

guest wrote:
guest wrote:im an old fashioned guy i love rifles


my buddy has carbines and likes those


for me it just seems a rifle is a beautiful thing...

the rifles can really reachout and touch someone
the carbines were easy to carry and more rapid fire

during world war one this pitted rifles vs carbines i think
german mausers VS m1a garands? and you can see who won...


OOPS world war two...


The guns had nothing to do with the allies victory. If it was JUST United States VS Germany, the end result of the war would have been different.(this of course is in a world where The common wealth and League of nation and the rest of the world doest care about the war. JUST PRETEND.)
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Post by jaggeededgeohseven » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:23 am

OOPS I posted twice. :oops:
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Post by pculliton » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:55 pm

Andy Brown wrote:IMO, Firefight needs a couple more small-arms types:

WEAPON_AUTO_RIFLE which would combine the damage of a rifle, the range of an LMG and the burst capability of the SMG. It would be used to represent magazine fed LMGs like the Bren and the BAR, which don't enjoy the rate-of-fire of belt-fed bipod LMGs (although they should be more accurate).

WEAPON_AUTO_CARBINE which would combine the damage and range of a carbine with the burst capability of the SMG. This would be used to represent assault rifles like the MP 44.

Andy (NZ)


This is exactly what I'd planned on doing if Sean introduced customizable weapons in Firefight. I'd be very happy if these two weapon types could be brought into existence.

Cheers.

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